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		<title>Comment on Repeaters, user controls, data binding and events by Duncan</title>
		<link>http://www.binaryforge-software.com/wpblog/?p=21#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 22:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks John, that really does help to clear things up - much appreciated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks John, that really does help to clear things up &#8211; much appreciated!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Repeaters, user controls, data binding and events by John Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.binaryforge-software.com/wpblog/?p=21#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>John Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 20:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Duncan,

Followed your post on this question over at stackoverflow and thought I&#039;d pass on an observation I made very late last night that may help you get your head around what&#039;s going behind this comment of yours:

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Duncan&quot;&gt;My main problem was that I was trying to access data BEFORE it was bound - so trying to access the data on Page_Load was too early.  Although the odd thing was that it worked first time round, but in subsequent requests that data was not available.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was/am having a nasty problem reading the state of a lot of controls produced by a repeater, I&#039;ve still got my problem in that it fails to get the settings for the first OnClick() event after the initial page loads and is presented to the user, but every subsequent one works - not the problem I&#039;m describing here.

I eventually put in handlers for most common events (Page Load, Item Created, Item DataBound, On Click) and single stepped it in debug mode what I discovered helps explain your observation:

This is ASP.NET 3.5 WebForms

On first page load by the user, ie. initial presentation of the web page the following is the order of the events:
1) Page_Load
2) foreach entry in the repeater:
   2a) OnItemCreated()
   2b) OnItemDataBound()

(stage 2 gives you Header, then every item (and Alternating Item), then the Footer

On subsequent events like my OnClick event from a button, this is the event order:
1) foreach entry in the repeater:
   1a) OnItemCreated()
2) Page_Load

(stage 1 gives you Header, then every item and Alternating item, then footer.
There is no DataBound (which matches the documentation)

So you can see that your page_load happens in a totally different place and different events have and haven&#039;t fired off.

I hope this helps you get some insight into what might have happened.

JOhn
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Duncan,</p>
<p>Followed your post on this question over at stackoverflow and thought I&#8217;d pass on an observation I made very late last night that may help you get your head around what&#8217;s going behind this comment of yours:</p>
<p>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Duncan&quot;&gt;My main problem was that I was trying to access data BEFORE it was bound &#8211; so trying to access the data on Page_Load was too early.  Although the odd thing was that it worked first time round, but in subsequent requests that data was not available.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</p>
<p>I was/am having a nasty problem reading the state of a lot of controls produced by a repeater, I&#8217;ve still got my problem in that it fails to get the settings for the first OnClick() event after the initial page loads and is presented to the user, but every subsequent one works &#8211; not the problem I&#8217;m describing here.</p>
<p>I eventually put in handlers for most common events (Page Load, Item Created, Item DataBound, On Click) and single stepped it in debug mode what I discovered helps explain your observation:</p>
<p>This is ASP.NET 3.5 WebForms</p>
<p>On first page load by the user, ie. initial presentation of the web page the following is the order of the events:<br />
1) Page_Load<br />
2) foreach entry in the repeater:<br />
   2a) OnItemCreated()<br />
   2b) OnItemDataBound()</p>
<p>(stage 2 gives you Header, then every item (and Alternating Item), then the Footer</p>
<p>On subsequent events like my OnClick event from a button, this is the event order:<br />
1) foreach entry in the repeater:<br />
   1a) OnItemCreated()<br />
2) Page_Load</p>
<p>(stage 1 gives you Header, then every item and Alternating item, then footer.<br />
There is no DataBound (which matches the documentation)</p>
<p>So you can see that your page_load happens in a totally different place and different events have and haven&#8217;t fired off.</p>
<p>I hope this helps you get some insight into what might have happened.</p>
<p>JOhn</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building a RESTful service in WCF by Duncan</title>
		<link>http://www.binaryforge-software.com/wpblog/?p=29#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 14:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the future dude.

Not really.

As with most things, the answer as to whether it is better is &quot;it depends&quot;.

Think of SOAP like RPC over the web - that&#039;s all your doing.  It&#039;s procedure-oriented.

Think of REST like object (or rather RESOURCE) -oriented.  You always have the same Operations (HTTP verbs) - GET/POST/PUT/DELETE.

In short - it gives a much nicer interface, thereby encouraging people to consume your data.  I&#039;m betting that Twitter wouldn&#039;t have been half as popular if it didn&#039;t have a REST interface.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the future dude.</p>
<p>Not really.</p>
<p>As with most things, the answer as to whether it is better is &quot;it depends&quot;.</p>
<p>Think of SOAP like RPC over the web &#8211; that&#8217;s all your doing.  It&#8217;s procedure-oriented.</p>
<p>Think of REST like object (or rather RESOURCE) -oriented.  You always have the same Operations (HTTP verbs) &#8211; GET/POST/PUT/DELETE.</p>
<p>In short &#8211; it gives a much nicer interface, thereby encouraging people to consume your data.  I&#8217;m betting that Twitter wouldn&#8217;t have been half as popular if it didn&#8217;t have a REST interface.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building a RESTful service in WCF by Fras</title>
		<link>http://www.binaryforge-software.com/wpblog/?p=29#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Fras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 09:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Duncan. What are the main benefits of using REST over SOAP web services? I know its lightweight and platform independent...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Duncan. What are the main benefits of using REST over SOAP web services? I know its lightweight and platform independent&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Get the Raw SOAP Request and Response on a Web Service call by zproxy</title>
		<link>http://www.binaryforge-software.com/wpblog/?p=44#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>zproxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or try 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=983b941d-06cb-4658-b7f6-3088333d062f&amp;displaylang=en&quot;&gt;Microsoft Network Monitor 3.3&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or try<br />
<a href="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=983b941d-06cb-4658-b7f6-3088333d062f&#038;displaylang=en">Microsoft Network Monitor 3.3</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Something works in IE but not in FF?? Must be a mistake! by Anders Borum</title>
		<link>http://www.binaryforge-software.com/wpblog/?p=52#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Anders Borum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 07:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

not sure if this what you&#039;re asking for, but I always use the indexer on the attributes collection instead of adding them; the end result is that I never get the dreaded duplicate issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>not sure if this what you&#8217;re asking for, but I always use the indexer on the attributes collection instead of adding them; the end result is that I never get the dreaded duplicate issue.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hosted SVN and Pre-commit Hooks by Jamie</title>
		<link>http://www.binaryforge-software.com/wpblog/?p=62#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can actually enforce this via Tortoise if everyone is using it.

Check the bottom section  http://tortoisesvn.net/docs/release/TortoiseSVN_en/tsvn-howto-minlogmsgsize.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can actually enforce this via Tortoise if everyone is using it.</p>
<p>Check the bottom section  <a href="http://tortoisesvn.net/docs/release/TortoiseSVN_en/tsvn-howto-minlogmsgsize.html" rel="nofollow">http://tortoisesvn.net/docs/release/TortoiseSVN_en/tsvn-howto-minlogmsgsize.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Writing a Custom NANT Task by Edwina</title>
		<link>http://www.binaryforge-software.com/wpblog/?p=68#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Edwina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good afternoon. I stand in awe of my body. Help me! Please help find sites for: Professional spray foam insulation. I found only this - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.patrimonioynaturaleza.com/Members/Insulation&quot;&gt;foam spray Insulation&lt;/a&gt;. Panded can shed polyurethane carbamic awareness. This annual detect- in new installation for the economic materials to demonstrate in also involves line and provides basement foams. Thanks for the help :rolleyes:, Edwina from Slovenia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good afternoon. I stand in awe of my body. Help me! Please help find sites for: Professional spray foam insulation. I found only this &#8211; <a href="http://www.patrimonioynaturaleza.com/Members/Insulation">foam spray Insulation</a>. Panded can shed polyurethane carbamic awareness. This annual detect- in new installation for the economic materials to demonstrate in also involves line and provides basement foams. Thanks for the help :rolleyes:, Edwina from Slovenia.</p>
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		<title>Comment on For those of you with Windows Mobile phones&#8230; by Ashlin</title>
		<link>http://www.binaryforge-software.com/wpblog/?p=67#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey. For one human being to love another; that is perhaps the most difficult of all our tasks, the ultimate, the last test and proof, the work for which all other work is but preparation. Help me! It has to find sites on the: Spray foam insulation regina sk. I found only this - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.patrimonioynaturaleza.com/Members/Insulation&quot;&gt;seal spray foam Insulation&lt;/a&gt;. Stay glass aluminum pictures developed on the air fail foam spray? Room and analogous each adhered in brick and seemed. :confused: Thanks in advance. Ashlin from Slovakia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey. For one human being to love another; that is perhaps the most difficult of all our tasks, the ultimate, the last test and proof, the work for which all other work is but preparation. Help me! It has to find sites on the: Spray foam insulation regina sk. I found only this &#8211; <a href="http://www.patrimonioynaturaleza.com/Members/Insulation">seal spray foam Insulation</a>. Stay glass aluminum pictures developed on the air fail foam spray? Room and analogous each adhered in brick and seemed. :confused: Thanks in advance. Ashlin from Slovakia.</p>
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		<title>Comment on button and input type=button by John Kerr</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yup, that sounds about right, never use defaults, or at least not MS ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yup, that sounds about right, never use defaults, or at least not MS ones.</p>
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